self-centeredness, evasion, ridicule, and closed-mindedness? Many atheists use science to back up their beliefs, but since neither the existance nor non-existance of God can be proven by science, shouldn’t you have "no opinion" on His existance if you truly follow science?
Richard Dawkins in his book "The God Delusion" uses anger repeatedly and when speaking to educated critics about his books and belief uses evasion when asked tough questions. Is this the atheist norm? When debating on the infidels web forum Dr. Hugh Ross and Perry Marshall were threatened with violence several times. Is this how atheists back up there belief with anger and threats of bodily harm?
On this forum I’ve seen few atheists who don’t ridicule others with different beliefs than theirs; evade a question that’s tough to answer or give an answer that has little or nothing to do with the question posed. Does this make your assertions seem correct to an outsider who wants to learn about your beliefs?
Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion";
Perry Marshall website.
infidels web forum 2003 Fall "forum guests Perry Marshall and Dr. Hugh Ross.

http://www.CosmicFingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

yes I have read Richard Dawkins’ book and I have watched and read critiques of his latest work. He seems mild mannered when he speaks but he writes very angily about his belief. And he does use evasion Big time!!! You haven’t seen many of his seminars if you say otherwise.

Unfortunately, many people act with ridicule toward people that disagree with them. Truthfully, Dawkins can be a bit of a jerk, just like, say, Jerry Falwell was. I also don’t find Dawkin’s arguments to be as cogent as they could be, by quite a bit. So in spite of the fact that I agree with his conclusions, I don’t necessarily find him to be the best representative of atheism.

One problem that atheists tend to run into is that they often do know more about the relgious texts and history than the relgious folks do. It is often astonishing how ignorant religious people are about the things they consider to be central to their existence. Also, there is frequently a tremendous amount of ignorance about how science is done as well as the conclusions it can reach.

One thing that leads to a great deal of anger is the number of outright lies that can be found in the religious literature. For example, no working biologist would give any credence to the intelligent design desription that has been pushed by those with a religious axe to grind. The criticisms of radiodating in many relgious tracts are simply dishonest. For people who have the respect of others because of a ‘moral stance’ to blatantly lie makes many, not just atheists, very angry.


40 Comments

  1. Belly Dancer
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Hun it’s not the Atheists that do that, it’s the monotheists.References :

  2. Belly Dancer
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Hun it’s not the Atheists that do that, it’s the monotheists.References :

  3. lins
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    wow. gezz. you really think all atheists are like that?References :

  4. lins
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    wow. gezz. you really think all atheists are like that?References :

  5. Xander V
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Hey its Megaman. I used to play those games and watch the old version of the cartoon.References :

  6. Xander V
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Hey its Megaman. I used to play those games and watch the old version of the cartoon.References :

  7. gotta_b_kidding_me
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Maybe there’s nothing else in their bag of tricks???References :

  8. Solly
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    The existence of God cannot be addressed with science – only faith. Using science to attempt to prove or disprove God is like using a screwdriver to adjust your attitude.References :

  9. gotta_b_kidding_me
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Maybe there’s nothing else in their bag of tricks???References :

  10. Captain Atheism
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Your assertion is totally without merit.

    Sorry, it just is.References :

  11. Solly
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    The existence of God cannot be addressed with science – only faith. Using science to attempt to prove or disprove God is like using a screwdriver to adjust your attitude.References :

  12. Khalin ElvenStone
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Because christians keep asking stupid, thoughtless, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, rediculous crap like THIS:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqsX7rP2zcYu74QIEWx59jTty6IX?qid=20070716105118AAU0JNK&show=7#profile-info-9FpJFKUUaaReferences :

  13. Kjelstad
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have any beliefs to learn about.References :

  14. Captain Atheism
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Your assertion is totally without merit.

    Sorry, it just is.References :

  15. Moiraes Fate
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Oy. Look, most religious don’t use science and can’t use science. But we rely on proven facts, not religious furver for truth. Do you honestly think that someone should be stoned to death because someone else said they cheated on their significant other?

    Honey, I give proper answers to questions. The problem is that sometimes you religious ask questions that can’t be answered on some web forum and that you don’t have the proper education to understand the answer to anyway.

    You won’t get ridiculed if you actually answer logically, instead of answering with your "faith" in your fantasy.

    I can say the "under-the-bed monster" is real, but that doesn’t make me right now does it? I can give you plenty of books that say its real, but that doesn’t make them right does it?

    You know…. a brain is a good thing to have.References :

  16. mikalina
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Why do most (if not all) theists end every argument with either:

    – faith

    – the bible says so

    – you must repent and accept JesusReferences :

  17. Khalin ElvenStone
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Because christians keep asking stupid, thoughtless, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, rediculous crap like THIS:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqsX7rP2zcYu74QIEWx59jTty6IX?qid=20070716105118AAU0JNK&show=7#profile-info-9FpJFKUUaaReferences :

  18. EvolvedKW
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    You have obviously never read Dawkins’ book, or seen him interviewed. He is extremely mild mannered, I have watched as Christian fanatics get very blustery when trying to contradict him during interviews and news shows, he merely reminds them, calmly, of their insanity, while they rant and rave. I would check your sources, as you are totally incorrect.References :

  19. Kjelstad
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have any beliefs to learn about.References :

  20. Let Me Think
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s never smart to talk down to or threaten folks if you’re trying to persuade them of something.

    That said, I think some of the questions believers might consider thought-provoking are questions that have been posed to skeptics many, many times before. What you see depends a lot on where you look.References :

  21. Jake S
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I think most of the people on here are just trolls. but people, atheists and christians alike, can be so close-minded in their beliefs (yes atheism is a belief, you can stone me later) that they don’t like when they have to actually justify it and think about it.
    Atheists claim to know there is no god because there is insufficient independent evidence but lack of evidence doesn’t necessarily mean there isn’t evidence, just that it hasn’t been found.
    Theists claim to know there is a god because they have their spiritual texts and antecdotes.
    In the end both sides can be equally snarky.References :

  22. Moiraes Fate
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Oy. Look, most religious don’t use science and can’t use science. But we rely on proven facts, not religious furver for truth. Do you honestly think that someone should be stoned to death because someone else said they cheated on their significant other?

    Honey, I give proper answers to questions. The problem is that sometimes you religious ask questions that can’t be answered on some web forum and that you don’t have the proper education to understand the answer to anyway.

    You won’t get ridiculed if you actually answer logically, instead of answering with your "faith" in your fantasy.

    I can say the "under-the-bed monster" is real, but that doesn’t make me right now does it? I can give you plenty of books that say its real, but that doesn’t make them right does it?

    You know…. a brain is a good thing to have.References :

  23. gorgeoustxwoman2
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Why would anyone have "no opinion" about god? That is like having no opinion about our president.

    I don’t believe the bodily harm bit, although bodily harm was not beneath the biblical god now was it!

    I am not an atheist. I see anyone who is not a fundie ‘born-again" Christian get insulted, bashed, reported, and condemned here everyday.

    If you have a problem with hate look to your fellow Christians first.References :

  24. mikalina
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Why do most (if not all) theists end every argument with either:

    – faith

    – the bible says so

    – you must repent and accept JesusReferences :

  25. EvolvedKW
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    You have obviously never read Dawkins’ book, or seen him interviewed. He is extremely mild mannered, I have watched as Christian fanatics get very blustery when trying to contradict him during interviews and news shows, he merely reminds them, calmly, of their insanity, while they rant and rave. I would check your sources, as you are totally incorrect.References :

  26. Kakashura
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I think you should have first asked "Do most(not all)atheists respond to thought provoking questions(using science to back them up)with anger,?". Since the answer to that is NO, then your actual question is not necessary.References :

  27. Let Me Think
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s never smart to talk down to or threaten folks if you’re trying to persuade them of something.

    That said, I think some of the questions believers might consider thought-provoking are questions that have been posed to skeptics many, many times before. What you see depends a lot on where you look.References :

  28. Stormilutionist Chasealogist
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    One of my favorite quotes…

    "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." by Christopher Hutchins

    Science can neither prove nor disprove any god(s)…yet…..

    Personally I think you are basing your beliefs on what you have read here and nothing more….have you ever watched an interview with Dawkins and a theist? The theist has always been the one spewing venom and anger….it’s not really nice to tell big fat lies ya know……and I find it very hard to believe that you have actually read "The God Delusion"………References :

  29. Jake S
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    I think most of the people on here are just trolls. but people, atheists and christians alike, can be so close-minded in their beliefs (yes atheism is a belief, you can stone me later) that they don’t like when they have to actually justify it and think about it.
    Atheists claim to know there is no god because there is insufficient independent evidence but lack of evidence doesn’t necessarily mean there isn’t evidence, just that it hasn’t been found.
    Theists claim to know there is a god because they have their spiritual texts and antecdotes.
    In the end both sides can be equally snarky.References :

  30. EFFETTOLL
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Nobody is tying you to burning stakes yet so relax. It is just than when a question has been explained or a statement shown to be false over a hundred times but nothing changes in the mind of the religionists then it becomes very frustrating.

    I don’t think many of the rational people are really able to understand how the religious mind fails to fully function.References :

  31. mathematician
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, many people act with ridicule toward people that disagree with them. Truthfully, Dawkins can be a bit of a jerk, just like, say, Jerry Falwell was. I also don’t find Dawkin’s arguments to be as cogent as they could be, by quite a bit. So in spite of the fact that I agree with his conclusions, I don’t necessarily find him to be the best representative of atheism.

    One problem that atheists tend to run into is that they often do know more about the relgious texts and history than the relgious folks do. It is often astonishing how ignorant religious people are about the things they consider to be central to their existence. Also, there is frequently a tremendous amount of ignorance about how science is done as well as the conclusions it can reach.

    One thing that leads to a great deal of anger is the number of outright lies that can be found in the religious literature. For example, no working biologist would give any credence to the intelligent design desription that has been pushed by those with a religious axe to grind. The criticisms of radiodating in many relgious tracts are simply dishonest. For people who have the respect of others because of a ‘moral stance’ to blatantly lie makes many, not just atheists, very angry.References :

  32. gorgeoustxwoman2
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Why would anyone have "no opinion" about god? That is like having no opinion about our president.

    I don’t believe the bodily harm bit, although bodily harm was not beneath the biblical god now was it!

    I am not an atheist. I see anyone who is not a fundie ‘born-again" Christian get insulted, bashed, reported, and condemned here everyday.

    If you have a problem with hate look to your fellow Christians first.References :

  33. Shane D
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    I had a really long debate with a "Athesist" once. He really thought about his perspective, I mean he really thought about it. Yet, I met him because he lashed out at my mother for her making an observation about the fact that people protest Christian symbolism almost exclusivley. Noone seems to mind (except Christians) if you place a devil or jack-o-lantern in City Hall. I believe the Anger comes from the denial of who they are. Some "Christains" don’t do us any favors by the way they act. But, that just gives Atheist their "examples" of why they hate Christians. Atheist can not be quite. they fear their silence would be an admission that Christians are right, and if Christians are right. Well then they would be wrong. They HATE that.References :

  34. Kakashura
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I think you should have first asked "Do most(not all)atheists respond to thought provoking questions(using science to back them up)with anger,?". Since the answer to that is NO, then your actual question is not necessary.References :

  35. Stormilutionist Chasealogist
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    One of my favorite quotes…

    "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." by Christopher Hutchins

    Science can neither prove nor disprove any god(s)…yet…..

    Personally I think you are basing your beliefs on what you have read here and nothing more….have you ever watched an interview with Dawkins and a theist? The theist has always been the one spewing venom and anger….it’s not really nice to tell big fat lies ya know……and I find it very hard to believe that you have actually read "The God Delusion"………References :

  36. YY4Me
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    What the article you linked to shows is that theists, in this case christians, say that everything proves the existence of their god, whereas scientists make no assertions without evidence. If we don’t know something it makes more sense to say we don’t know than to attribute it to a god for which there is no evidence.

    Even if every current scientific theory were to be disproved, the existence of a god would still have to be proved independently. It’s illogical to say that something which cannot be found or measured has existence.

    As Sam Harris wrote:

    "The success of science often comes at the expense of religious dogma; the maintenance of religious dogma always comes at the expense of science."

    And . . .

    "Science, in the broadest sense, includes all reasonable claims to knowledge about ourselves and the world. If there were good reasons to believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, or that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse, these beliefs would necessarily form part of our rational description of the universe. Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail. The difference between science and religion is the difference between a willingness to dispassionately consider new evidence and new arguments, and a passionate unwillingness to do so."References : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/science-must-destroy-reli_b_13153.html

  37. EFFETTOLL
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Nobody is tying you to burning stakes yet so relax. It is just than when a question has been explained or a statement shown to be false over a hundred times but nothing changes in the mind of the religionists then it becomes very frustrating.

    I don’t think many of the rational people are really able to understand how the religious mind fails to fully function.References :

  38. mathematician
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, many people act with ridicule toward people that disagree with them. Truthfully, Dawkins can be a bit of a jerk, just like, say, Jerry Falwell was. I also don’t find Dawkin’s arguments to be as cogent as they could be, by quite a bit. So in spite of the fact that I agree with his conclusions, I don’t necessarily find him to be the best representative of atheism.

    One problem that atheists tend to run into is that they often do know more about the relgious texts and history than the relgious folks do. It is often astonishing how ignorant religious people are about the things they consider to be central to their existence. Also, there is frequently a tremendous amount of ignorance about how science is done as well as the conclusions it can reach.

    One thing that leads to a great deal of anger is the number of outright lies that can be found in the religious literature. For example, no working biologist would give any credence to the intelligent design desription that has been pushed by those with a religious axe to grind. The criticisms of radiodating in many relgious tracts are simply dishonest. For people who have the respect of others because of a ‘moral stance’ to blatantly lie makes many, not just atheists, very angry.References :

  39. Shane D
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I had a really long debate with a "Athesist" once. He really thought about his perspective, I mean he really thought about it. Yet, I met him because he lashed out at my mother for her making an observation about the fact that people protest Christian symbolism almost exclusivley. Noone seems to mind (except Christians) if you place a devil or jack-o-lantern in City Hall. I believe the Anger comes from the denial of who they are. Some "Christains" don’t do us any favors by the way they act. But, that just gives Atheist their "examples" of why they hate Christians. Atheist can not be quite. they fear their silence would be an admission that Christians are right, and if Christians are right. Well then they would be wrong. They HATE that.References :

  40. YY4Me
    Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    What the article you linked to shows is that theists, in this case christians, say that everything proves the existence of their god, whereas scientists make no assertions without evidence. If we don’t know something it makes more sense to say we don’t know than to attribute it to a god for which there is no evidence.

    Even if every current scientific theory were to be disproved, the existence of a god would still have to be proved independently. It’s illogical to say that something which cannot be found or measured has existence.

    As Sam Harris wrote:

    "The success of science often comes at the expense of religious dogma; the maintenance of religious dogma always comes at the expense of science."

    And . . .

    "Science, in the broadest sense, includes all reasonable claims to knowledge about ourselves and the world. If there were good reasons to believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, or that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse, these beliefs would necessarily form part of our rational description of the universe. Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail. The difference between science and religion is the difference between a willingness to dispassionately consider new evidence and new arguments, and a passionate unwillingness to do so."References : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/science-must-destroy-reli_b_13153.html

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